by Dr Harnaak Singh
Sangat Ji,
I came across a write out and link to a video by Karminder Dhillon who is the HEAD PARCHARAK (or GRANTHI) of MGC.
Reading through the write out and quick run through the video put a chuckle on my face; my “state of mind” saying the same old “yo-yo” Gurmat deviant concepts recycled. So, I decided to study, analyse and pen my findings in the ensuing.
I have reviewed this write out and cursory review of the video at the provided link.
Karminder’s message is in black text. My comments are in blue text with highlights in magenta. The part of the Karminder’s claim that I comment on is highlighted in red text. If there is no red text then the comment applies to the whole.
Reference: The Puranas: A compact, English-only version of the Major 18 Puranas in one document, Compiled by the Dharmic Scriptures Team, October 3, 2002
Harnaak Singh
SIKHI HERE AND NOW
by Karminder Dhillon
Karminder CLAIMS in point form
- BEGINING: Garrur Puran says that the SOUL takes one year to reach its final destination which is the planet Sun. This is the OLD CANVAS.
- (1) DEATH: In Sikhi the focus is about SPIRITUAL DEATH, which is referred to in 95% of the verses in SGGS Ji.
- (2) AFTER DEATH: No one knows where one goes to reside after death.
- (3) AFTER DEATH: The SOUL or JYOT goes back to the Creator.
- (4) SPIRITUAL DEATH is the concern of Gurbani.
- (5) JUMM DOOT is defined as the 5 vices.
- (6) DHARAMRAJ means MY CONSCIENCE in Gurbani.
- ENDING: Sikhi should be interpret for LIFE HERE AND NOW.
BEGINING: Garrur Puran says that the SOUL takes one year to reach its final destination which is the planet Sun. This is the OLD CANVAS.
In the Garrur Puran (one of the 18 Puranas of the Vedic belief system), DEATH happens when the soldiers of Dhramraj called JUMM DOOT come to take the SOUL away. The deceased is then led to an accounting by DHARAMRAJ who passes judgement.
The Garrur Puran says that upon DEATH, the SOUL takes one year to reach its final destination; which is the planet Sun. Dharamraj is the son of the Sun, and his court is in the Sun.
This is a FALSE statement. I quote from Garuda Purana 14.14.1.
Describing the experiences of the soul when it leaves the body, Lord Krishna said–” The soul leaves the mortal body with great reluctance because the attachment with the mortal world exists even after his death. Yamdoots, descend down to earth to take the soul of the dying man to Yamloka. Those who have committed grave sins are tied with ropes and taken to Yamloka with great humiliation but virtuous souls are taken with honour and due respect. Yamraj- the lord of death receives the virtuous soul with all the honour and respect and metes out punishment to those who had committed sins during their lives.
Where did this moorakh get the 1 year story from? Cooked up? Further there is no mention that the final destination is the planet SUN in the Garuda Purana. The final destination is Yamloka. Another cook up?
The above belief system is what we call the OLD Canvas of Spirituality (Pre 1469). Guru Nanak would PAINT OVER this canvas by giving new meanings to all the above concepts. The concepts are in CAPS and in BOLD. They are all REDEFINED by Guru Nanak.
I draw to attention that there are more than a billion Hindus in the world who still believe Karminder’s FALSE and IMAGINATIVELY CREATED SO CALLED “OLD CANVAS OF SPIRITUALLITY (PRE 1469)”. So it really stupid to call this OLD CANVAS … it is still current.
COMMENT: After study of this document, it looks like the REDIFINITION IS FROM MR KARMINDER, HE SHOULD NOT BLAME GURU NANAK FOR THE ENSUING MESS HE CREATES AND COOKS UP.
Those needing a detailed discourse on the issue of REDEFINING can watch this Video: SIKHI HERE AND NOW at SVF Webiste here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEw58_Aljwo&t=141s. The vedic canvas is focused on AFTER DEATH, while SIKHI is focused on LIFE HERE AND NOW.
This is a FALSE statement. I quote from Garuda Purana 14.14.1
So, one must try to make the best use of this mortal body by indulging in good deeds before the day of his final journey arrives otherwise he would be left with nothing but regrets at the time of his death
This clearly states that Garuda Purana is talking about LIFE HERE AND NOW.
Karminder should stop his LIES and FALSE INTERPRETATION OF ANOTHER FAITH FOR HIS PERSONAL BENEFIT to propagate his DISTORTED PARADIGM.
Does this not border on RACIAL SLUR on another Faith?
Is he is trying to be a Guru, denigrating another faith.
Even Guru Nanak did not distort other faiths. He merely pointed out the wrong practices of certain members of those faiths.
(1) DEATH: In Sikhi the focus is about SPIRITUAL DEATH, which is referred to in 95% of the verses in SGGS Ji
1) DEATH. In the Old Canvas it is ALL about Physical Death [1]. In Sikhi, the focus is ALL about SPIRITUAL DEATH that happens while we are alive [2]. For every 100 verses about DEATH; 95 are about SPIRITUAL DEATH, the rest about physical death.
He has not defined SPIRITUAL DEATH. Let us see what he could mean.
The SPIRIT generally refers to the SOUL or ATMA/JIV. He could mean the SOUL to be the SPIRIT.
Another view of his ilk (who essentially follow the Kala Afghana Distorted Gurbani ideology) is that there is no such entity SOUL. Their so-called SPIRIT is a STATE OF MIND. The state of mind is the state of ‘conscious mental events and capabilities’ (Merriam Webster).
- In Karminder’s so-called old canvas, the SOUL, which is an entity which is a part of our self (we are body and soul), originates from God and the SOUL is an eternal entity. So how can an eternal entity experience death. This is why death is only of the physical material body i.e. physical death. Though he seems to portray an aura of knowledge in the Vedic Faith, his cooking up false stories seems to show otherwise … PITIFUL KNOWLEDGE!
- It is easy to make a statement which implies 5% of verses speak of physical death. A search of the English translation of SGGS Ji shows 671 occurrences of the word death. In, well excess of 50% of these verses, a physical death is clearly implied. His statement that only 5% of verses speak of physical death is FALSE. He never learn does he … 5000 Rahaos in SGGS (only in the region of 2600), Guru Nanak’s Father was a Minister (he was a village patvari … endless rubbish he spews.
If the soul is a state of mind then:
What happens to ‘the person’ described in the verse below. The state of mind will never change i.e. his thoughts will never change. How is this person going to do anything because the state of mind will never change. Is that person then a LIVING VEGETABLE until physical death?
ਨਾ ਓਹਿ ਮਰਹਿ ਨ ਠਾਗੇ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ (SGGS 8 Japji M:1)
Neither death nor deception comes to those,
ਜਿਨ ਕੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਵਸੈ ਮਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥
Within whose minds the Lord abides.
Physical death is defined as something that will happen to all, in is Hukm, we are all awaiting our turn; and is inevitable. There is no need to discourse too much about something inevitable.
Guru Nanak defines physical death as the ‘return of the elements in the body to the elements in the universe. ਪਵਨੈ ਮਹਿ ਪਵਨੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਜੋਤੀ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਰਲਿ ਜਾਇਆ ॥ ਮਾਟੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਹੋਈ ਏਕ ॥ SGGS 885. Pavney Mey Pavan Samaiya. Jyoti Meh Jyot Rull Jaiya. Mattee Mattee Hoee Ek. Meaning: Air subsumes into Air. The Jyot returns to the Jyot. The Elements become one with the Elements.
This means that ONCE ONE IS DEAD THAT IS THE END OF THE STORY of that entity.
Since Karminder claims, this is the definition of physical death we shall assume this to be the case. The word Gurbani uses (see below) in this definition is ਮੂਆ for physical death. So ਮੂਆ means physical death by the definition he claims.
ਪਵਨੈ ਮਹਿ ਪਵਨੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥ (SGGS 885 Raamkali M:5)
The wind merges into the wind.
ਜੋਤੀ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਰਲਿ ਜਾਇਆ ॥
The light blends into the light.
ਮਾਟੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਹੋਈ ਏਕ ॥
The dust becomes one with the dust.
ਰੋਵਨਹਾਰੇ ਕੀ ਕਵਨ ਟੇਕ ॥੧॥
What support is there for the one who is lamenting? ||1||
ਕਉਨੁ ਮੂਆ ਰੇ ਕਉਨੁ ਮੂਆ ॥
Who has died? O, who has died?
If that is the case, then how does he explain THE LIVING ARE SAID TO BE DEAD in the verse below? Once there is physical death ਮੂਆ, as defined by him, then how can, ‘that person be LIVING?
ਜੀਵਤ ਕਉ ਮੂਆ ਕਹੈ ਮੂਏ ਨਹੀ ਰੋਤਾ ॥੪॥ (SGGS 229 Gaurdee M:1)
The living are said to be dead, and no one mourns for those who have died. ||4||
Is Gurbani LYING or HE IS cooking up definitions?
(2) AFTER DEATH: No one knows where one goes to reside after death
2) AFTER DEATH. Guru Nanak says of what happens after death on page 648 of the SGGS. ਮ: ੧ ॥ ਇਕ ਦਝਹਿ ਇਕ ਦਬੀਅਹਿ ਇਕਨਾ ਕੁਤੇ ਖਾਹਿ ॥ ਇਕਿ ਪਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਉਸਟੀਅਹਿ ਇਕਿ ਭੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਹਸਣਿ ਪਾਹਿ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਵ ਨ ਜਾਪਈ ਕਿਥੈ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਹਿ ॥ ੨ ॥ Some are burnt, some buried, some fed to the animals. Some are discarded in rivers, others in wells. Nanak, NO ONE KNOWS WHERE ONE GOES TO RESIDE (AFTER DEATH). Nanak Evv Na Japaee Kithey Jaye Samahe.
No one knows “what happens after death”; of course that is THE TRUTH, but that does not mean the Guru does not know or God does not know. Let’s discuss this further.
Firstly the message is meant for us, human beings who, by and large, do not know what happens after death. Consider a simple example of a mother and a very young child (say 6 months old). The mother has decided that at the next change of clothes the child shall wear a BLUE top. Does the child know this? Of course not. Does the mother know this? Yes for sure. Is the mother going to claim that the child knows what colour top the child is going to wear next? Definitely NOT.
Likewise Guru Ji is NOT GOING to LIE in GURBANI and SAY THAT WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER DEATH because in this life humans actually don’t and that is the way God has created the JIGSAW PUZZLE and Guru Ji knows this JIGSAW PUZZLE.
You change one piece of the puzzle and it will not solve so we should not try.
Secondly what is going to happen to me is dependent on my past and present Karma. So what happens when I die depends on this. Again, take a simple example of one going to sit for the exams. Can one say I am going to get NN marks? Of course not. It all depends on how hard I study and how well the exam questions are answered.
WHAT is HE TRYING to PROVE by THIS CLAIM?
INSINUATING THAT WHEN PHYSICAL DEATH OCCURS THAT IS THE END OF THE STORY?
This is also what he implies in 1 above.
Side tracking I will quote one verse from Gurbani. Remember by his definition ਮੂਆ means physical death.
ਨਹ ਕੋ ਮੂਆ ਨ ਮਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥ (SGGS 885 Raamkali M:5)
No one dies; no one is capable of dying.
Gurubani says NO ONE DIES, NO ONE IS CAPABLE OF DYING.
What does Mr Karminder have to say about this?
Is Gurbani lying or Mr Karminder got it all wrong?
So you see this is the problem of plucking verses to justify a “distorted understanding of Gurbani”.
Another one: HE BECOMES IMMORTAL AND SHALL NEVER DIE AGAIN
ਅਕਥ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਤਿਨੀ ਜਾਣੀ ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੇ ॥ (SGGS 545 Bihagrda M:5)
He alone knows the Unspoken Speech, unto whom God has shown His Mercy.
ਅਮਰੁ ਥੀਆ ਫਿਰਿ ਨ ਮੂਆ ਕਲਿ ਕਲੇਸਾ ਦੁਖ ਹਰੇ ॥
He becomes immortal, and shall not die again; his troubles, disputes and pains are dispelled.
Now again Gurbani says, using Karminder’s definition of death, THE PERSON DOES NOT DIE i.e. does not physically die.
Based on these verses one will not incur PHYSICAL DEATH. Are some people never going to physically die?
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE PLUCKS SINGLE VERSES AND TRANSLATES THE MEANING WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF ONE’S OWN KNOWLEDGE (ignoring credible translations).
The advise to him is to stop plucking verses to justify his distorted paradigm. I can equally pull out more verses to break his distorted paradigm as I have done above.
(3) AFTER DEATH: The SOUL or JYOT goes back to the Creator
3) Where does the SOUL go? The Shabd on Page 885 above is Clear. Just like ALL elements in the human body go back to their source without exception; ALL JYOTS GO BACK TO THE SOURCE JYOT – also without exception because the JYOT came from the Creator and belongs to the Creator.
His statement is FALSE. Guru Ji clearly states that only if you are able to overcome the 5 elements i.e. evils (Kaam, Krodh, Lohb, Moh, Hangkar) will my Jot go back to the creator (true place of pilgrimage).
ਹਰਿ ਚਰਣ ਰਿਦੈ ਵਸਾਇ ਤੂ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਨਾਸੁ ॥ (SGGS 491 Goojree M:3)
Enshrine the Lord’s lotus feet within your heart, and your sins shall be erased.
ਪੰਚ ਭੂ ਆਤਮਾ ਵਸਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਤਾ ਤੀਰਥ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੨॥
If your soul overcomes the five elements, then you shall come to have a home at the true place of pilgrimage. ||2||
Another one. ONLY IF YOU HAVE DISCARDED EVIL and DISCARDED MAYA then his Jot will merge with the Creator, otherwise you will come and go in reincarnation.
ਇਹੁ ਸਰੀਰੁ ਮਾਇਆ ਕਾ ਪੁਤਲਾ ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਦੁਸਟੀ ਪਾਈ ॥ (SGGS 31 Sri Raag M:3)
This body is the puppet of Maya. The evil of egotism is within it.
ਆਵਣੁ ਜਾਣਾ ਜੰਮਣੁ ਮਰਣਾ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਪਤਿ ਗਵਾਈ ॥
Coming and going through birth and death, the self-willed manmukhs lose their honor.
ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵਿ ਸਦਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਮਿਲਾਈ ॥੨॥
Serving the True Guru, eternal peace is obtained, and one’s light merges into the Light. ||2||
So Karminder, should understand that my (or even his for that matter) JOT does not automatically GO BACK ‘without exception as he stated’ to the creator. I have to be a GUR MUKH not a MAN MUKH and SHED THE 5 EVILS before I am (or HE is) considered for ‘GO BACK TO THE SOURCE’ as he terms it or LIBERATION MUKTI as I call it.
If what he says is true, i.e. JOT GO BACK TO THE SOURCE automatically without exception then why worry about this SINGLE LIFE, stuff GOD and LEARNING GURBANI, TRYING TO BE GOOD etc etc.
Khao, Pio, Aish Karo, Maujan Lutto and stuff the rest.
I will have a good time in this material world with no strings attached. Sounds a bit too good to be TRUE.
On top of that I can give myself all ticks and proclaim myself an ANGEL (see below comments to 6).
What happens to the soul that has not shed the 5 evils at physical death? In the limbo? Karminder’s yo-yo concept did not address this!
(4) SPIRITUAL DEATH is the concern of Gurbani
4) The Concern of Gurbani thus is Spiritual Death. This is something that we CAN and MUST avoid. Spiritual Death is defined as ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਆਖਾ ਜੀਵਾ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਉ ॥ SGGS Page 9. Akha Jiwan Visrey Murr Jaon. Meaning: Spiritual Death happens WHEN WE FAIL TO REALIZE THE CREATOR WITHIN.
Every moment that we REALIZE the Creator Within – We are Spiritually Alive. Every moment we DON’T REALIZE – we are Spiritually Dead.
What about the next verse. It clearly refers to the NOOSE OF DEATH, which METAPHORICALLY implies PHYSICAL DEATH.
ਸੇ ਮੁਕਤੁ ਸੇ ਮੁਕਤੁ ਭਏ ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਜੀ ਤਿਨ ਤੂਟੀ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਫਾਸੀ ॥ (SGGS 11 Aasa M:4)
They are liberated, they are liberated-those who meditate on the Lord. For them, the noose of death is cut away.
What about this one. Guru Ji implies only ONE DEATH, that is physical death (ਮੂਆ = physical death). (Spritual death in Mr Karminder’s definition will be occurring again and again)
ਮੋਹਿ ਪਚੇ ਪਚਿ ਅੰਧਾ ਮੂਆ ॥੩॥ (SGGS 392 Aasa M:5)
But, engrossed in attachment, the blind fool wastes away to death. ||3||
Karminder should not FORCE FIT GURBANI into his DISTORTED PARADIGM claiming that Gurbani is only about SPIRITUAL DEATH. He will end up in knots not being able to explain many-many verses in Gurbani.
Actually Gurbani talks about both types of DEATH. Let’s look at the definition of DEATH (Merriam Webster Dictionary).
DEATH = (1) ending of a particular person’s life OR = (2) permanent end of something that is not alive.
The definition of DEATH applies to ANIMATE (physical) DEATH as in (1) and also to
INANIMATE (thoughts, state of mind …) DEATH.
One cannot globalize. One has to look at the context referred to appreciate the message from Guru Ji.
So, this cooked up concept by Mr Karminder that Gurbani always refers to SPIRITUAL DEATH is fit for the dump yard.
(5) JUMM DOOT is defined as the 5 vices
5) JUMM DOOT. These are redefined in accordance with Spiritual Death. Our 5 Vices are the CAUSE of our spiritual death. So in Gurbani – JUM DOOT are REDEFINED as our 5 Vices.
Karminder’s concept of Gurbani referring to ONLY SPIRITUAL DEATH has been DECIMATED in 4. Hence the following argument
ਪਰਤਾਪੁ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਦੇਖਿ ਕੈ ਜਮਦੂਤ ਛਡਿ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ ੧ ॥ 811 Partaap Tumahra Dekh Kaey Jumdoot Chudd Jaye. Meaning: Internalizing Your Virtues, My Jummdoots (vices) have left me. ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਏ ਜਮਦੂਤਨ ਕਉ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਅਹੇ ॥ ੧ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ 824. Sadhsang Mil Har Gunn Gaye Jumdootan Ko Traas Ahey. Meaning: Internalizing Your Virtues from the Company of my Guru, my Jumdoots (vices) have become subdued.
by Karminder FAILS i.e. is rubbish good for the dump yard.
In spite of this, WE CONTINUE just to see where the ridiculous cooking up of new definitions ends up.
The meaning of the verse above he has distorted to fit his distorted paradigm.
The meaning of the above verses from credible sources are:
ਪਰਤਾਪੁ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਰਾ ਦੇਖਿ ਕੈ ਜਮਦੂਤ ਛਡਿ ਜਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ (SGGS 811 Bilaaval M:4)
Gazing upon Your Glory, the Messenger of Death leaves and goes away. ||1||
ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਏ ਜਮਦੂਤਨ ਕਉ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਅਹੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ (SGGS 824 Bilaaval M:4)
Joining the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and the Messenger of Death will be frightened away. ||1||Pause||
A question to Mr Karminder; where is the Guru referred to in the second verse? Only “SADSANGAT” is referred to.
Delving further; in Karminder’s definition the FIVE VICES RUN AWAY WHEN THEY LOOK AT MY VIRTUES. I thought Gurbani teaches me that is my duty to discard the 5 evils and acquire the 5 virtues. Before I can acquire VIRTUES I have to SHED the evils (For example, I cannot fill up a full glass. I have to empty it then fill it up with something different).
BUT IF I HAVE TO ACQUIRE VIRTURES so the EVILS will run AWAY then how do I acquire VIRTUES because the EVILS are in me. Gurbani is full of verses which say I HAVE TO DISCARD THE 5 EVILS AND THEN ACQUIRE THE VIRTUES.
In his DISTOTED paradigm, I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SHED THE EVILS BECAUSE THE EVILS WILL RUN AWAY ONLY IF I ACQUIRE VIRTUES, BUT I CAN ONLY ACQUIRE VIRTUES IF I DISCARD THE EVILS.
Mr Karminder has put me in a NO WIN SITUATION.
In his own words THIS IS A SEQUENCING PROBLEM which is used to justify his distorted view of Amrit Vela.
Can you see THE QUANDRY MR KARMINDER HAS PUT ME INTO!! with the sequencing problem.
On the other hand if I define JUMDOOT as the MESSENGER OF DEATH (the terminating Shakti of God) then MY QUANDRY HE CREATED is GONE. I discard the 5 evils and acquire the 5 virtues (there is no need to acquire VIRTUES, so that EVILS will run away). When I am virtuous and God realised, then at ANT KAAL (death) I will attain LIBERATION i.e. MY JOT will MERGE with the Creator. You see HOW SIMPLE IT BECOMES.
No getting me tied up in knots.
Anyway what about this
ਹਰਿ ਦਰੁ ਸੇਵੇ ਅਲਖ ਅਭੇਵੇ ਨਿਹਚਲੁ ਆਸਣੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ (SGGS 79 Sri Raag M:5)
One who serves at the Door of the Imperceptible and Unfathomable Lord, obtains this eternal position.
ਤਹ ਜਨਮ ਨ ਮਰਣੁ ਨ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਣਾ ਸੰਸਾ ਦੂਖੁ ਮਿਟਾਇਆ ॥
There is no birth or death there, no coming or going; anguish and anxiety are ended.
ਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਗੁਪਤ ਕਾ ਕਾਗਦੁ ਫਾਰਿਆ ਜਮਦੂਤਾ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਚਲੀ ॥
The accounts of Chitr and Gupt, the recording scribes of the conscious and the subconscious are torn up, and the Messenger of Death cannot do anything.
If like Mr Karminder claims that the EVILS WILL RUN AWAY ON SEEING MY VIRTURES (if by some stroke of luck, I am able to acquire them) what is the need for Guru Arjan Dev Ji to talk about CHITR and GUPT (God’s shakti of recording karma)?
Or is Mr Karminder going to say that Guru Arjan Dev Ji made a MISTAKE by INCLUDING this verse in SGGS Ji.
Man! who should I believe in Guru Arjan Dev Ji or Mr Karminder?
(6) DHARAMRAJ means MY CONSCIENCE in Gurbani
6) DHARAMRAJ. Gurbani does not accept the “son of the sun” dharamraj. In Gurbani, the Creator is WITHIN. Hence His Court is WITHIN us, WITHIN our MIND, WITHIN our Conscience. ਆਜੁ ਮੇਰੈ ਮਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੁ ਭਇਆ ਹੈ ਪੇਖੀਅਲੇ ਧਰਮਰਾਓ ॥ ਤਹ ਕਰ ਦਲ ਕਰਨਿ ਮਹਾਬਲੀ ਤਿਨ ਆਗਲੜੈ ਮੈ ਰਹਣੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ੪ ॥ Now I see/realize within my mind Dharamrao (my conscience) which is aided by powerful vices in the face of whom I am helpless.
Single verses can be manipulated to fit into a certain paradigm. This is what Karminder is doing above.
Credible sources translate the 2 stanzas to give the correct meaning.
ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਤਬ ਬਿਸਰਿ ਗਇਆ ਜਾਂ ਤਜੀਅਲੇ ਸੰਸਾਰੰ ॥੩॥ (SGGS 92 Sri Raag Trilochan)
Your emotional attachment to Maya will be forgotten, when you have to leave this world. ||3||
ਆਜੁ ਮੇਰੈ ਮਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੁ ਭਇਆ ਹੈ ਪੇਖੀਅਲੇ ਧਰਮਰਾਓ ॥
Today, it became clear to my mind that the Righteous Judge of Dharma is watching us.
ਤਹ ਕਰ ਦਲ ਕਰਨਿ ਮਹਾਬਲੀ ਤਿਨ ਆਗਲੜੈ ਮੈ ਰਹਣੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥੪॥
His messengers, with their awesome power, crush people between their hands; I cannot stand against them. ||4||
LEAVE THIS WORLD means physical death.
DHARAMRAJ WATCHING means CONSCIENCE WATCHING as per his definition.
Is one’s CONSCIENCE going to go along when the person LEAVES THIS WORLD? But I thought Mr Karminder said everything will end when a person physically dies, and the JOT joins the CREATOR.
Another question that follows is, did Gurbani make a mistake in using DHARAMRAO in place of CONSCIENCE above? OR is it Mr Karminder cooking up definitions?
So the concept of “appearing before the Dhramraj /rai/rao is to “appear before our own court of conscience within the recesses of our mind WITHIN.” This ‘court of conscience” is also called DARGAH (Arabic word) in Gurbani.
ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਜਬ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਗੈ ਬਾਕੀ ਨਿਕਸੀ ਭਾਰੀ ॥ ਪੰਚ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਾਨਵਾ ਭਾਗਿ ਗਏ ਲੈ ਬਾਧਿਓ ਜੀਉ ਦਰਬਾਰੀ ॥ 1104 Dhram Rae Jubb Lekha Mangey Bakee Niksee Bharee. Meaning: When my conscience is accounted for, I am in deficit. The five vices abscond (leave me alone) leaving me to answer in my inner court of conscience. (I am bit confused here: ‘my conscience accounted for THEN answer to my conscience’ but plod along anyway)
ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਜਬ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਗੈ ਕਿਆ ਮੁਖੁ ਲੈ ਕੈ ਜਾਹਿਗਾ ॥ ਕਹਤੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਰੇ ਸੰਤਹੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਤਰਿ ਜਾਂਹਿਗਾ ॥ 1106. Dhran Raye Jub Lekha Mangey Kya Mukh Ley Kaey Jahega. Kehet Kabir Suno Re Santo Sadhsangat Tar Jahenga. Meaning: When I account for my deeds, how do I face my conscience? Says Kabir, O spiritual seekers of the Creator, the company of the Guru (sadhsangat) will resolve this difficulty.
Another thing is Mr Karminder’s concept of ‘one’s OWN CONSCIENCE JUDGING the person himself’ is a disaster in the making. Can my inner-self be trusted to Judge me? This is SELF-REGULATION. (Just a side note: It is known that the Government in Australia constituted the Banks to be self-regulating some 20 years ago. AND what happened, they screwed the public. This is the WAY OF THE HUMAN BEING).
Now consider Karminder’s SELF REGULATION concept;
I can commit all the SINS and be engrossed in Kam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Hangkar TO ANY DEPTH I LIKE and then just give myself TICKS (not CROSSES) and HEY PRESTO, I AM AN ANGEL. What BULLSHIT this is.
Credible translation says something else:
ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਜਬ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਗੈ ਬਾਕੀ ਨਿਕਸੀ ਭਾਰੀ ॥ (SGGS 1104 Maaroo Kabir)
When the Righteous Judge of Dharma calls for my account, there shall be a very heavy balance against me.
ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਜਬ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਗੈ ਕਿਆ ਮੁਖੁ ਲੈ ਕੈ ਜਾਹਿਗਾ ॥ (SGGS 1106 Maaroo Kabir)
When the Righteous Judge of Dharma calls for your account, what face will you show Him then?
Mr Karminder should explalin where in these stanzas is the CONSCIENCE referred to?
Considering “the conscience story by Karminder” (Noting that MY CONSCIENCE is my “motivation driving logically from ethical and moral principles that govern my thoughts and actions”). If my actions were governed by my MAN MAT then the judgement will also be governed by MAN MAT) the first verse (SGGS1104) will translate to
When MY CONSCIENCE call for MY CONSCIENCE’S account there will be a heavy balance against MY CONSCIENCE.
Is this not going around in circles? OR is Mr Karminder going to say that this verse in Gurbani should be removed from SGGS Ji because it does not fit his definition?
This is the problem of SELF-REGULATION.
ENDING: Sikhi should be interpret for LIFE HERE AND NOW
Sikhi is a spirituality for the here and now. The verses relating to death must thus be interpreted in the context of LIFE HERE AND NOW. In fact if any of the above verses are interpreted in the Garrur Puran (vedic) after death context, they make no sense. If we continue to do so, we get nothing but confusion.
For the enlightenment of Karminder, the long standing concept (before he materialised) of Sikhi is about LIFE HERE AND NOW based on what has happened in the PAST and modified to a BETTER FUTURE IN THIS LIFE and LIBERATION meaning NO MORE BIRTH as the ideal AFTER LIFE. Is this confusing? Sounds quite straight forward.
But in Karminder’s concept about LIFE HERE AND NOW is life is NOT based on what has happened in the PAST and NOT needed to be modified for a BETTER FUTURE meaning when you die THAT’S IT FOLKS. Does this fit into what goes on in the world? Let’s see.
Nothing in the creation works here and now. We are where you are today because of our past and what we will be tomorrow will be because of our today. Kuala Lumpur is where it is because in the past Yap Ah Loy founded and set it up. And Kuala Lumpur tomorrow will be dependent on what is done to it today. That is the LAW OF GOD or HUKAM.
Sorry to say that it looks like Mr Karminder is NOTHING BUT CONFUSION IN HIS STATE OF MIND and WORKING HARD TO CONFUSE THE WHOLE SIKH PANTH.
So, it can be concluded that both his cooked up concepts are again fit for the dump yard.
Our Gurus have FREED us from the SHACKLES of the BLUFF of the Brahmin Clergy of what happens to us after death (dhram raj, jum doot, hell, 8.4 mil etc). Now our Sikh Clergy have taken over this role. It accords them power over us.
My God, what an accusation.
There he goes again with his blame game he uses to win support for his confusing, convoluted distorted concepts he claims are from Gurbani. Why not just say these concepts are the Kala Afghana / Ragi Darshan SLANDEROUS CONCEPTS which are a DISTORTION OF GURBANI.
All his “YO YO” theories have been proven false above.
I pray that the SANGAT realise and FREE THEMSELVES FROM HIS SHACKLES AND HIS BLUFFOLOGY.
It is up to us Sikhs to choose if we want to remain shackled – or be LIBERATED as our Gurus want us to be.
It is up to you Sangat Ji if you WANT TO BE LIBERATED by CREDIBLE interpretation of Gurbani and acquire Spiritual Wisdom;
OR remain SHACKLED to Mr. Karminder’s, CREATED TO FIT A DISTORTED KALA AFGHANA paradigm, SikhKI and ACQUIRE SPIRITUAL ABYSS;
AND end up TYING YOURSELF IN KNOTS and GETTING NOWHERE or rather into THE BOTTOMLESS PIT COOKED UP BY MR KARMINDER.
Gur Vichar 