We share below the response by the Vegetarian Taksali Blogger to Jagir’s (of MGC) response, via letter dated 27-04-2017, to Datuk Sucha Singh’s interview (in three parts) at Gurvichar.


My dear Jagir. I don’t know whether to laugh at your level of absurdity or to cry. Your letter dated 27 April 2017 has only reinforced what I’ve suspected of you long ago. Someone whose rational thinking is corrupted with Kala Afghana Ideology, beyond help.

Lets have a look at the following statement from your letter.

1. MGC’s Comment:

 In the long History  of the Gurdwaras  of more than 130 years no Semagam  pertaining to ‘Dasam Granth’ has been done or organi zed in a Gurdwara  in Malaysia,  except  the recent 1st case at Gurdwara Sahib Titiwangsa from 22/04/2016  to 24/04/2016.”

Response From VTB (Vegetarian Taksali Blogger)

The above statement clearly shows the Anti Dasam Granth stand that stinks of Kala Afghana ideology taken by you, and your ignorance of the history of the Gurdwaras in Malaysia. For the last 130 years the Malaysian Gurdwaras were singing and preaching various compositions of the Sri Dasam Granth Banis (Not just those three Nitnem Banis mentioned by Jagir) during Vasakhi and Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s Gurpurb celebrations,  without any hindrance nor prohibition from the then leaderships of MGC which was unbiased, untainted by Kala Afghana Ideology, unlike the current MGC leadership.

If it is acceptable to sing and preach SDG Banis during those celebrations, why can’t they be sung or preached in a specially dedicated Sri Dasam Granth Semagam titled Darbar Patshahi 10? Jagir, you may give whatever excuses you like, however the sangat of Malaysia knows the answer to the above question. Honestly, Jagir don’t you think, as the president of Malaysian Gurdwaras Council or should I refer to it as Malesh Gurdwaras Council (as declared by Takhat Sri Damdama Sahib), you should be better equipped with the knowledge of our Gurdwara’s history?

2. MGC’s Comment:

Thus, prior to 22/04/2016, there was no issue relating to Dasam Granth (Bachittar Natak – Strange  Dramas)(DG/BN) as “(A)KAL USTAT” Semagams were not held. In fact, after Gurtagaddi was bestowed  by Sri Guru Gobind  Singh Ji on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (SGGS  Ji) in 1708, the human Guruship  was ended for all time and the living Guru henceforth for the Sikhs is SGGS Ji. Therefore, after 1708 there can only be Darbar  of SGGS  Ji, who is the eternal  living Guru of the Sikhs.  The Gurbani says:

ਜੋਤਿ ਓਹਾ ਜੁਗਤ ਸਾਇ ਸਹਿ ਕਾਇਆ ਫੇਰਿ ਪਲਟੀਐ

The same Guru Nanak  Joth had pervaded  all succeeding Gurus with only the body forms changed.

Response From VTB

Jagir, your use of  the word Bachittar Natak – Strange Dramas (BN) to address Sri Dasam Granth, against the proper panthic term “Sri Dasam Granth” shows what a recalcitrant (having an obstinately uncooperative attitude towards authority or discipline) you are. You go against an authority like Sri Akal Takhat which uses the term “Sri Dasam Granth”, the very same Takhat which you openly claim to defend. Isn’t that hypocritical of you, Jagir?

Jagir, you say that ‘after 1708 there can only be Darbar of SGGS Ji……’. Then you try to support your view by giving and example of a shabad from Gurbani.  First and foremost your statement is baseless and anti gurmat, not to mention it is blasphemous of the Gurmattas and the SRM it self. How does a Sri Dasam Granth Semagam titled Darbar Patshahi 10 held in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (SGGS Ji) in accordance to gurmat rehet maryada, violate the Guruship of SGGS Ji? You are trying to monger fear and mislead the sangat to believe that the organisers of the semagam are trying to replace the sanctity of SGGS Ji as the Living Guru, by calling their semagam Darbar Patshahi 10. Now Jagir, isn’t that Mala Fide?

Jagir, are you living in Malaysia or on another planet? For the last 130 years, the Malaysian Gurdwaras have held Kavi Darbars, Raag Darbars, Katha Darbars and Balak Kirtan Darbars to name a few without any threat to the Guruship of SGGS Ji. How does Darbar Patshahi 10 be anti SGGS ji?

Not so long ago Niketan Foundation organised programmes called Shaheh Shehen Shah Semagam during Guru

Shah-E-Shehenshah Semagam

170504 VTB FIG 01 SESS Semagam

Gobind Singh Ji’s Gurpurb. Does that mean that Niketan is trying to replace the Kingship of SGGS Ji with that of Guru Gobind Singh Ji? Jagir, if you had any knowledge of Gurmat and a Mind that is not tainted with the Kala Afghana Ideology, you would know the right answer.

Secondly, your usage of the above shabad to support your biased anti gurmat view is unnecessary. No one is interested in replacing the SGGS Ji with SDG nor in bestowing the SDG as the second Guru parallel to the SGGS Ji. It looks like you are blindly signing a letter that was written by your ill informed advisor, who is probably using you to promote his Kala Afghana Ideology. Didn’t you read Datuk Sucha’s Interview where he stated that, no one is questioning the Guruship of SGGS Ji?  You are intentionally misrepresenting the utmost satkar (respect) that was shown to the pothi sahib of SDG by the organisers of the Darbar Patshahi 10, as an attempt to do parkash of the granth parallel to the SGGS Ji. Can anyone get more evil minded than this, Jagir?

 If we keep our gutka sahibs and other pothi sahibs wrapped in rumalas; If pothi sahibs of SDG that are used during Katha by Baba  Banta Singh Ji druing Katha in Gurdwara Bangla Sahib, New Delhi, India are placed on mini manji sahib and wrapped with rumalas as the gold standard for satkar, then why is it wrong for the organisers of the Darbar Patshahi 10, to show a similar level of satkar to the pothi sahib of SDG? Even if chor sahib was done out of Sharda (faith) that the SDG is Gurbani, how does it disqualify the position of SGGS Ji as the only Living Guru. I await for your answer to these questions, Jagir.

Let alone granth sahib of SDG, even pothis of Sri Suraj Parkash Granth are given a similar treatment of satkar during the kathas in various ithasak gurdwaras in India. The fact is Jagir, you don’t seem to know the meaning of sharda (faith) because your seemingly Kala Afgahana ideology tainted Mind has made you empty of it. It is only normal for someone who believes in full faith that the SDG is Gurbani (refer to the definition of Gurbani in Mahan Kosh, not your manmat distorted definition, given below) to treat it with the highest level of satkar that is driven and based on his Sharda. It does not mean that by doing so, he does not consider the SGGS Ji as His Guru anymore or he considers the SDG as a second Guru in parallel to the SGGS Ji. This is not a zero sum game, Jagir.

Definition of Gurbani in Mahan Kosh

170504 VTB FIG 02 Gurbani meaning

Translation of the definition in MK, 

Guru Nanak ate ohna dey roop Satguruan di Bani, Akali Bani, Jo Guru dwara sanu prapat hoyee hai. (The Bani, Akali Bani of Guru Nanak and His Satguru Forms, that we obtained through the Guru).

Definition of Gurbani, based on your (Jagir Singh’s) Manmat given below:

Gurbani (GUR + BANI) is by definition all that is contained within our Guru, and since our Guru is the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Gurbani is therefore all that is contained within the 1430 pages of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (SGGS).

By the way, Jagir, have you submitted your definition of Gurbani to the relevant authorities for approval. If no, then stop using it to further mislead the sangat.

Jagir, you choose to make your own biased interpretations and views of the SRM and the Gurmattas of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib (SATS)  based on your Kala Afghana ideology, which I will expose in the following analysis.

   3. Let us look at another one of MGC’s statement as below.


No such direction or Gurmatta as claimed above has been issued by the 5 Takhts.

Response From VTB

Stop lying Jagir. I am attaching letters from four other Takhats addressed to SGGS Academy Malaysia (Click Here to Download Full Page PDF Copies). Are you saying these letters are not advice or directives that are applicable to the sangat of Malaysia, including you and your MGC? By the way, Datuk Sucha Singh Ji’s statement says as follows;

” The Akal Takht and other Four Takhats has issued clear and unequivocal directions by a Gurmatta and advice in the matter Kirtan and Katha of Dasam Pita’s  Bani is allowed , can be conducted  and is necessary.”

Where in the above statement did Datuk Ji claim that a Gurmatta has been issued by the 5 Takhats? Can’t you see the word advice? Caught lying again Jagir? Well, if you are not ashamed of yourself by now, all I can say is, May God Help you!

Jagir, I don’t know about you, but to any Gursikh who follows the teachings of His Guru, it does not matter whether the directive from any of the Takhats is Gurmata, Mata, Adesh, Hukumnama or a Sandesh. A true Gursikh will endeavour to implement and uphold it. Stop playing with terminology to confuse and mislead the sangat.  ਸਾਨੂੰ ਉੱਲੂ ਨਾ ਬਣਾ.

Infact The Jathedar of Takhat Sri Damdama has called MGC as Malesh Council and Nindaks of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Have y0u the slightest idea what Malesh means? See below highlighted in yellow.

Definition of Malesh

170504 VTB FIG 03 Malech meaning

Congratulations Jagir!, you are first and only President of MGC who succeeded in earning your council the title Malesh from a Takhat Sahiban (Meaning of Malesh in MK – The Scholars of Sanskrit have also used this word to describe foreigners and enemies of Aryan Religions). Jagir, the Punjabis are Aryans and therefore, Sikhi is an Aryan religion. So what does this new designation make of MGC? Enemies of Sikh Panth, meaning Panth Virodhis right? If you had ever read our rich Sikh Literature, which I believe you haven’t, you will find the word Malesh used, to describe the Mughals. I suggest that you and your bunch of Kala Afghanis change your names to Khans instead of Singhs.

Letter from Takhat Sri Damdama Sahib

Takhat DG Letter Damdama Sahib

Letter From Takhat Sri Hazur Sahib


Letter From Takhat Sri Keshgarh Sahib


Letter From Takhat Sri Patna Sahib



  ……To be Contunued in Part 2

Reference Sources:

  1. Mahan Kosh
  2. Sikh Rehet Maryada
  3. Letters and Gurmatas From Five Takhat Sahibans