by Harnaak Singh

In a previous post we showed that Ranjodh Singh, a missionary brought by SIKH NAUJAWAN SABHA MALAYSIA (see Figure 1) is a TRUE BLUE KALA AFGHANA MAN. 

Figure 1: SNSM sponsored Katha Samagam Program

171025 SNSM Katha Sem Prog

The Kala Afghana Ideology condemns and rejects the long standing Sikh Tenets and Practices e.g. NAAM Simran, Dasam Granth Banee, historical events, religio-cultural events etc.

In particular in the first video we showed that Ranjodh

  • distorts the historical version of Guru Harkrisahn and Chhajju event
  • distorts historical events of other faiths to prove his point
  • states that Dasam Granth Banee is murda vicharan (dead or useless concepts)
  • path and simran is karam kaand (ritual).

All these are against Gurmat.

We have come to understand that this person is claimed to be preaching “TATT GURMAT” by Sikh Naujawan Sabha Malaysia (see introduction for discussion on this). 

The video in this post exposes more of the anti-Sikhi anti-Gurmat views of this person.  

By sponsoring and condoning this person’s lectures, Sikh Naujawan Sabha Malaysia (SNSM) is supporting a staunch Kala Afghana man and promoting Kala Afghana Ideology.  

Therefore, does it not appear that SNSM is a member of the Kala Afghana Brigade; and is out to enforce the Kala Afghana Ideology in Malaysia?  

Note: In this article SNSM refers to the people running SNSM not SNSM as an organisation.


Before we discuss the video let us 

  • explain why we believe that SNSM claims that Ranjodh is preaching TATT GURMAT gian
  • let us also have a look at the fancy phrase “Tatt Gurmat”. 

SNSM’s Kala Afghana alignment

That SNSM claims that Ranjodh is preaching TATT GURMAT gian is clearly evidenced from the statement by AUTAR SINGH, see Figure 2.

Figure 2: Autar Singh post dated 29-10-2017 – Tatt Gurmat?

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Autar says he supports SNSM in its “Tatt Gurmat parchar”.  He knows what is going on INSIDE SNSM which is not known to the general Sangat.  Autar has been exposed as a strong member of the Kala Afghana Brigade in numerous posts in Gurvichar.  He has been deeply involved in inviting and facilitating anti-Sikhi anti-Gurmat Kala Afghana aligned people for some time.

Further his post appears to evidence that he has a strong hand in encouraging SNSM to sponsor and invite this Kala Afghana Ideology preacher Ranjodh.

It is hard to say that SNSM does not prescribe to the Kala Afghana Ideology.  Alternatively SNSM is being strongly steered by members of the Kala Afghana Brigade.  

What is the evidence?  Let us see.

  • SNSM believes that Ranjodh is preaching TATT GURMAT GIAN.
  • Covert nature of the invitation of Ranjodh is apparent since SNSM did not post the flyer on its website.  It was first discovered on Autar’s FB.  Why hide this invitation from the Sangat?  Such arrangements do not happen overnight.
  • SNSM have advertised Ranjodh’s  title as “Singh Sahib”.  Singh Sahib in Sikh Panth is used for the Jathedar of the Takhats.  Which Takhat Jathedar is he?  Can SNSM explain?  OR is it also a FAKE title used to hoodwink the Sangat of the high status of this Kala Afghana moorakh.
  • SNSM has sponsored the visit of Kala Afghana aligned lecturers in the past.
  • SNSM had a hand in banning the reciting of Guru Gobind Singh’s banee (encompassed in Dasam Granth) in Gurdwaras.
  • SNSM unilaterally removed Lakhbir Singh, one of the SNSM Panj Piaray due to his acceptance of Dasam Granth (see Note)
  • SNSM was instrumental in banning Niketan and SGGS Academy from doing parchar in Gurdwaras.
  • There was news floating around that SNSM was on the verge of banning DEH SIVA BAR MOHEY at the Samelans but gave up due to pressure from the Sangat.

Note: Lakhbir Singh was restored as a Panj Piara after protest from Sangat – KUDOS TO THE SANGAT WHO STOOD BY BANEE OF GURU GOBIND SINGH (Dasam Granth)

The core concept behind the dot points are 

BANNING OF GURU GOBIND SINGH’s banee (Dasam Granth), a Kala Afghana Ideology strong focus, for its eventual destruction.

AND promotion of the Kala Afghana Ideology through the Missionary College based missionary speakers.

Another very important point to note is that Jasbir Singh, Jathedar SNSM, has stated that “it is guided by the Sikh Rehat Maryada” (see LINK).  

This claim is QUESTIONABLE.

We PUT IT TO SNSM that the Sikh Rehat Maryada defines Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s Banee as Gurbani.  See Figure 3 which is a snapshot of the English version of the SRM at SGPC website.  This snapshot states

… kirtan only of GURBANI (Guru Granth’s or Guru Gobind Singh’s hymns)

CLEARLY defining GURBANI as the compositions in Guru Granth AS WELL AS compositions of Guru Gobind Singh (in Dasam Granth).

  • How can SNSM claim that it is guided by the Sikh Rehat Maryada” when it was a PARTY to the BANNING Banee of Guru Gobind Singh (Dasam Granth)?


Figure 3: Snapshot of Article VI in the Sikh Rehat Maryda


For the main outline of the Kala Afghana Ideology concepts see LINK and for the eventual scenario see LINK.

Tatt Gurmat

SNSM and Autar’s use of the fancy phrase “Tatt Gurmat” (see Figure 2) when considered in depth is tantamount to BLASPHEMY on the part of the user of this phrase.

Let us see why.

The word Tatt ਤੱਤ means TRUTH in the context used.

The word Gurmat means the GURU’s TEACHING that is knowledge from Gurbani.

The use of the word TATT is superfluous UNLESS 

Autar, SNSM and Gang believe that some part of Gurbani is NOT THE TRUTH and some parts is the TRUTH and they believe in the part they think is the TRUTH

The part they believe to be the TRUTH is what they refer to as TATT.  They support preaching of the TATT part.

Now this brings us to another point which WITHOUT DOUBT CEMENTS the FACT THAT Autar, SNSM and Gang are part of the KALA AFGHANA BRIGADE.  Note that this is THEIR ADMISSION revealed through the phrase TATT GURMAT, albeit UNINTENTIONALLY.  

Recall that the Kala Afghana Ideology rejects all mythological/Vedantic references; this includes those in SGGS Ji (see LINK and LINK).  

Therefore part of SGGS Ji (with Mythological references which they claim is Vedantic) in their eyes is “NOT THE TRUTH”.  The other part (without Vedantic influence) is the “TRUTH”.  

It is important to appreciate that our Gurus stated that the whole of Gurbani is the word of God.  What are these MOORAKHS up to?  They want to remove the “NOT THE TRUTH” part.

This is what Autar, SNSM and Gang mean when the word TATT is used.

So, Sangat Ji, you see how they have revealed their TRUE alignment.

To say some part of SGGS Ji is NOT THE TRUTH, i.e. FALSE is BLASPHEMY.

I am sure Sangat Ji that you utterly DISAGREE with SNSM, AUTAR and GANG who are aligned with the Kala Afghana Brigade.

What is Gurmat and how do we know it?

Gurmat is learned from Gurbani i.e. SGGS Ji and Guru Gobind Singh’s Banee in Dasam Granth (as defined in SRM).  How do we understand this? We use historical records and principle teaching documents.

Examples of used historical records are Sakhian, Nanak Prakash, Suraj Prakash and other credible and long term accepted historical records.

Historical records also highlight the principles through narration of events related to our Gurus and other important Dharmic persons.

Examples of documents used to learn principles and concepts are compositions of Bhai Gurdas and Nand Lal, Sarb Loh Granth, Rehatnamas, Teekas by Prof Sahib Singh, Manmohan Singh, Sant Singh, Fareedkot and others.  Dictionaries/ Encyclopaedias for example Encyclopaedia of Sikhism by Patiala University, Mahan Kosh, Gurmat Martand and other similar credible resources.

Note that, by some moorakhs saying that these are not authentic does not make all or any of these references false or useless.  

Such mooraks say this to mislead the Sangat.  

Once the Sangat accepts what these moorakhs say, then they have a free reign to interpret the SGGS Ji to their liking.  Why?  Because there would be no credible references to refer to; no one can check what these moorakhs say.

It has been shown that the Kala Afghana Brigade which includes the new age Missionaries from Missionary Colleges (with a two year course under their belt) as the KA propagating force reject all these credible resources.  They are interpreting SGGS to their whims and fancies.  Many of these have been exposed on Gurvichar and other sites worldwide.


The video clip reveals further anti-Sikhi anti-Gurmat views of Singh Sahib Giani Ranjodh Singh who is presently in Malaysia doing Gurbani Katha under the invite of the Sikh Naujawan Sabha.

The video is an extract from a lecture by Giani Ranjodh.  

This reveals that Giani Ranjodh is another of the new age missionary college missionaries who is aligned with the Kala Afghana Ideology.  For an overview of this KA ideology please see LINK

God’s Laws – Don’t try to be God

Ranjodh talks about God’s laws.  He goes on to say the God does not break God’s laws.  The question is how he does know that.  Is he trying to be God?

He gives an example that the FIRE burns and will always burn.  

What has he got to say about the fire walking Chinese in Zhehian province shown in Figure 4?

Figure 4: Fire walking festival

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The person in Figure 4 lived to tell his tale.

Then what about a Tsunami appearing from nothing?  Doesn’t this prove him wrong?

Guru Nanak told us in JapJi Sahib that we do not know God’s limits.  This clearly implies we don’t have the understanding to try and explain what God can or cannot do.

BUT Ranjodh still does.  Does he understand the teaching of our Gurus?

Just like his mate Dhunda he has no faith in what our Guru teaches.  He is bound by REASON, LOGIC and CRITICAL THINKING (RLC). 

The recommendation is don’t try to BE GOD!  You will just make a fool of yourself Good idea just to stick to what GuruJi teaches us not what you think.

Miracles don’t occur

Ranjodh now goes scientific and talk’s about Newtons Law of Gravitation.  He says everything will be pulled back to earth.  Nobody can break this law.

How does he explain the rocket leaving the earth gravitation and going into space.  See Figure 5.  The Law of Gravitation was broken!  This is a miracle based on what he said.  God’s law has been broken.  So you see what limited thinking results in.

Figure 5: Rocket leaving earth’s gravity

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The same question can be asked about the person walking in the fire in Figure 4.  Isn’t that a miracle.

AND what does he say.  There are no miracles.  This is ignorance based on his limited RLC.

He thinks that miracles is related to the magic show he saw when he was a kid, where he expects “POOF” for something to appear out of nothing (see Figure 6), not real miracles like someone walking over burning coal or the rocket leaving the earth’s gravitational field. 

Figure 6: Ranjodh’s magic “POOF” the tablet appears

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Inexplicable events, i.e. miracles, do and will occur.  

We do not know God’s capabilities and limits.  This is what our Gurus told us.  We should just accept their teaching rather than to be too smart trying to prove otherwise.

You just tie yourself up in knots, just like Ranjodh has, using the two examples.

Gurbani and Miracles

Ranjodh quotes Gurbani verses to support his claim that there are no miracles. He quotes the verse from Kabir Ji’s banee as follows.

ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਫੁਰੀ ਤਬ ਕਾਹੂ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਾਜ ॥

You have riches and miraculous spiritual powers; so what business do you have with anyone else?

ਤੇਰੇ ਕਹਨੇ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਕਿਆ ਕਹਉ ਮੈ ਬੋਲਤ ਹੀ ਬਡ ਲਾਜ ॥੧॥

What should I say about the reality of your talk? I am embarrassed even to speak to you. ||1||

Just trying to understand the two verses is futile.

The two verses are a part of Kabir’s banee in Raag Maru starting on SGGS 1102 and finishing on SGGS 1104 which has seven stanzas.  The verse he quoted is the first verse of Stanza 3.

In the seven stanza banee, Kabir is talking to the Pandit outlining the Pandit’s materialistic manmat controlled by the five evils that will eventually lead to death and rebirth.  Kabir lists many of the materialistic activities which originate from the five evils e.g. lip service of the religious texts, selling his superficial knowledge etc.  The solution is to control the 5 evils and practice righteousness, and meditation upon God.  This is the path to liberation.

We look at the 3rd stanza which has the verse Ranjodh quotes in support of his claim of “no miracles”.  Kabir tells the Pandit you have miraculous powers and are wondering around earning riches.  You do not appreciate that all these are FALSE and will not help in your liberation.  The only solution is to immerse your inner-self with “God’s water”, metaphorically meaning meditation (note water gives life to our body and Naam to our soul).

The verse translates to

You have (ਜਾ ਕਉ ਫੁਰੀ) riches and miraculous powers (ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ), then what (ਤਬ ਕਾਹੂ) business (ਕਾਜ) do you have with anyone else (ਕਾਹੂ ਸਿਉ)?   What should I say (ਕਿਆ ਕਹਉ) about the reality (ਕੀ ਗਤਿ) of your talk (ਤੇਰੇ ਕਹਨੇ).  I (ਮੈ) am embarrassed (ਬਡ ਲਾਜ) to even speak to you (ਬੋਲਤ ਹੀ).

You see it is impossible to understand what Kabir is saying by merely looking at this verse.  

The remaining three verses of the stanza talk about the Pandit wondering around gaining the material wealth but you do not realise that this is FALSE. This is supported by the other stanzas which also refer to materialistic pursuits of the Pandit.  

The key message, Kabir says, is that TRUTH lies in immersing your inner-self in NAAM through meditation.  

It becomes clear that the first verse is merely pointing out as to the material wealth the Pandit is always thinking about. Hence one can get a wrong message when looking at single verses.

THERE IS NO STATEMENT THAT THERE ARE NO MIRACLES.  In fact the verse implies that there are miracles (ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਫੁਰੀ), since Kabir tells the Pandit “you have miraculous power”.  Nowhere in the verses elsewhere is there a negation of this statement.

Moorakh Ranjodh is misinterpreting the verse implying that if the Pandit had miraculous powers they why does he need to go to Shivratri festival yearly, why not just use your miraculous powers to materialise what you need.  

This is nowhere near the core message, which is 

material wealth is not going to help the soul in gaining liberation 

of the stanza and the whole of the banee. 

None of the translations (Prof Sahib Singh, Manmohan Singh, Fareedkot) mention Shivratri.  He seems to be spinning a Shivratri story.

Gurbani does not say miracles do not occur.

Bhai Gurdas in Vaar 1 Paurdis 41 and 42 outlines the miracles performed by the Siddhis. In Paurdi 42 Guru Nanak Dev says that he may do miraculous acts but these are only momentary and non-beneficial without the true Name NAAM. So clearly Guru Nanak did not reject miracles, but pointed out that these are non-beneficial for God Realisation (the following SGGS 14 M:1 Sri Rag, SGG504 M:1 Goojri, SGGS M:5 Bihargda, SGGS 678 M:5 Dhanasaree, SGGS 968 Sata Balwand Ramkalee, SGGS 1106 Ravidas Maroo, refer).


Ranjodh Lies on Miracles

Ranjodh claims that the poojaris have linked Guru Granth Sahib Ji to miracles so that we will loose the faith in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.  He says that the loss in faith is because Guru Ji says one thing and does another.  

One thing that is very important to note is that Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not state there is no existence of miracles.  So he is making up stories.

Actually Ranjodh is trying to propagate the Kala Afghana Ideology agenda by making this claim.

This is a build up to the rejection of all the other Granths that he comes to next.

Ranjodh rejects all other Granths

Then he goes on to say that all the other Granths e.g. Suraj Prakash, Mehma Prakash, Panth Prakash, Gurbilas, Sarab Loh Granth, Dasam Granth were written to prove that Guru Granth Sahib Ji is wrongAll these are contrary to Guru Granth Sahib Ji.  

The above claims of miscreant Ranjodh are FALSE.   

He is guided by his FIVE EVILS.  Hence he spews such MANMAT.  His inner-self is controlled by MANMAT.  See Figure 7.

Figure 7: Inner-self controlled by Manmat

Inner-self MANMAT

The mentioned Granths have been referenced from the time of our Gurus to learn Sikhi (see section “What is Gurmat and how do we know it?”).

This is clearly the Kala Afghan Ideology which rejects all Granths and references with the exception of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.  See LINK and LINK for more.

He wants to destroy Sikh history, Sikh tenets and Sikh practices in line with the Kala Afghana Ideology.  See LINK for more on this.

Ranjodh rejects Shraad and reincarnation

He condemns Suraj Prakash which relates Guru Nanak celebrating the remembrance of his father Mehta Kaloo.

AND further adds that such a celebration is rejected in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.  He further adds that Guru Granth Sahib Ji also rejects reincarnation.

He throws in a bunch of verses to support his “bull****”. 

The concept of reincarnation is espoused in Gurbani.  

When it comes to shraad he misinterprets the verse to state it rejects shraad.  The verse quoted is as follows.

ਜੀਵਤ ਪਿਤਰ ਨ ਮਾਨੈ ਕੋਊ ਮੂਏਂ ਸਿਰਾਧ ਕਰਾਹੀ ॥

He does not honor his ancestors while they are alive, but he holds feasts in their honor after they have died.

This verse is merely saying that what is the use of celebrating the death of ones ancestors when they were not honoured while alive.

There is no statement that shraad is rejected.  The message is that one should honour the ancestors while they are alive NOT that shraad is REJECTED.

It is added that this moorakh POOJARI Ranjodh is a HYPOCRITE.  He condemns ceremonies which celebrate our ancestors but is happy to attend Sant Baba Jewala Singh Salana Yaadgiri.  See Figure 8.  

Probably when financial gain is concerned “to HELL with principles espoused”These principles are good for the Sangat not him.  DO WHAT I TELL YOU NOT WHAT I DO.

Figure 8: Flyer – Sant Baba Jewala Singh Salana Yaadgiri Semagam

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It is shown that Sikh Naujawan Sabha very likely prescribes to the Kala Afghana Ideology.

The fancy phrase “Tatt Gurmat” used by this group shows that they only accept some parts of SGGS Ji as TRUE Gurbani.  The part that they believe as NOT TRUE is very likely the mythological/Vedantic references in SGGS Ji.

Gurmat is learned from Gurbani i.e. SGGS Ji and Guru Gobind Singh’s Banee in Dasam Granth (as defined in SRM).  Our historical records and principle/concept teaching documents are very important in defining and teaching us Gurmat.  None of these documents are dispensable.  They are an integral part of Sikhi and Gurmat.

Giani Ranjodh is a TRUE BLUE KALA AFGHANA MAN out to propagate the anti-Sikhi anti-Gurmat Kala Afghana Ideology.  He rejects miracles, reincarnation and celebration of our ancestors lives.  He is guided in his inner-self by manmat.

These are the type of moorakhs Sikh Naujawan Sabha, Autar, MGC and the other Sikh organisation have chosen to associate with, and to bring them to spew their Kala Afghana venom to the Sangat.

BEWARE.  The WOLVES are coming in SHEEP’s clothing.

May VAHEGURU bless us all.

Thank You for reading.  ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ  ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ

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