by Harnaak Singh

MGC had the Granthi Seminar on 22 June 2018.  We had posted an article on this at Gurvichar LINK.

Two short clips have surfaced which show the “teachers” of the Granthis were

  • Karminder Dhillon (the infamous Malaysia Fake parcharak) also the Head of MGC parcharak committee and
  • Ranjodh Phagwarda a foreign True Blue Kala Afghana Ideologist.

Figure 1: Karminder lecturing the Granthis at the MGC organised Granthi Seminar

180629 MGC Granthi Seminar KSD

Figure 2: Ranjodh lecturing the Granthis at the MGC organised Granthi Seminar 

180629 MGC Granthi Seminar Ranjodh


Both Karminder Dhillon and Ranjodh Phagwarda have been shown to be die-hard Kala Afghana/Ragi Darshan Ideologists.  They are strong supporters of the following miscreant anti-Sikhi anti-Gurmat individuals.

  • Gurbakhs Singh Kala Afghana (excommunicated from Sikh Panth)
  • Ragi Darshan (excommunicated from Sikh Panth)
  • Inder Ghagga
  • Sarabjit Dhunda

The essentials of their Anti-Sikhi Anti-Gurmat IDEOLOGY is listed below (see LINK).  

These people REJECT

  1. doing paath and NAAM Simran (see LINK, LINK)
  2. the definition of Amrit vela as per Gurbani and SRM (see LINK)
  3. bathing in sarovars, visiting Hemkunt (see LINK)
  4. banees in Dasam Granth (see LINK, LINK)
  5. the 5 banees of Amrit ceremony (see LINK)
  6. practices described in Sikh Rehat Maryada (see LINK)
  7. the concept of reincarnation espoused in Gurbani (see LINK, LINK, LINK)
  8. mythological references in Gurbani and want them removed (see LINK)
  9. Akhand Path and other religio-cultural functions in Gurdwaras (see LINK)
  10. our Gurus having performed inexplicable events e.g. Guru Harkrishen and Chaju event (see LINK)
  11. the existing Sikh historical records (e.g. they say Guru Nanak’s father was not a village patvari) (see LINK).
  12. the Sants, Deras, Taksals and Sampardava saying that they (Deras, …) are breaking the Sangat from the Guru (see LINK)

(Note: LINKs are included to articles which provide detailed information and analysis of these aspects of their deviant ideology)


These MOORAKHS are preaching Anti-Sikhi Anti-Gurmat ideology to the Granthis (there appear to be about 40 Granthis in the video clips).  They have the full support of the MGC.  In fact, it is MGC who organized the seminar.  The very same MGC that claims to champion the Sikh Rehat Maryada.

That MGC is abiding by the Panthic Sikh Rehat Maryada is a FARCE.  

Figure 3: Malaysian Gurdwaras Council EXCO

MGC Exco_2017b

The article by Datuk Sucha Singh, Past President of MGC, at LINK shows that IT IS MGC WHO ARE THE TRANSGRESSOR OF THE SIKH REHAT MARYADA.

It is clear, that MGC organized this seminar so that Moorakh Nindak Ranjodh Phagwarda could come and spit his Anti-Sikhi/Anti-Gurmat venom to the Granthis.  MGC cannot absolve itself of being one of the sponsors of bringing in Moorakh Nindak Ranjodh Phagwarda and is thus responsible for propagating the Kala Afghana/Ragi Darshan Anti-Sikhi/Anti-Gurmat propaganda in Malaysia. 

Let us view the video clips.  We have combined the two clips and included comments therein.

Video: MGC organised seminar to spit vernom to the 40 Granthis

The clips are very short, but it appears that both the Nindaks are talking about the mythological references in Gurbani in these clips attributing them to be Brahmanical.  Karminder refers to Shastras and Vedas and Ranjodh refers to Kabeer exposing them (means the Brahmanical people).  This short clip, plus the LINKS in the articles above show that these moorakhs keep harping on and linking mythological references in Gurbani to rituals.  Further they blame the Deras/Taksals/Sampardavas (those who do not follow the Kala Afghana/ Ragi Darshan ideology) to be preaching about the mythological references in Gurbani and that they are preaching MULTIPLE Gods.


Note that there is not an iota of evidence in their FAKE claims.  These are just made up stories to prop their Anti-Sikhi/Anti-Gurmat Kala Afghana/Ragi Darshan ideology. 

They are poisoning the minds of the 40 Granthis who will then propagate their Kala Afghana/ Ragi Darshan ideology to the Sangat. 

Imagine Sangat Ji 40 venomous Granthis taking to the stage POISIONING the Sangat, including the future generation with the Kala Afghana/ Ragi Darshan Anti-Sikhi Anti-Gurmat teachings.

These video clips are related to point No. 8 and 12 above (underlined), of their ideology whereby they reject mythological references in Gurbani and blame that the Deras/ Taksals/ Sampardavas to be preaching the mythological refences in Gurbani.  They are thus also blaming our Gurus who have included mythological references in Gurbani.  

We must be aware that there is an abundance of mythological references in Gurbani i.e. Guru Granth Sahib, Dasam Granth, compositions by Bhai Gurdas and Bhai Nand Lal.

These moorakhs want these mythological references removed.  They are SLANDERING our Gurus who stated that Gurbani or the Shabad is the Word of God.

What do you think will happen to Guru Granth Sahib when the mythological references are removed?  Only a fraction will be left.  The have already rejected Dasam Granth outright.  AND so will be the case soon with the compositions of Bhai Gurdas and Bhai Nand Lal.  

I wonder what will be left of Gurbani when these moorakhs are through with their destruction.

If these short half minute videos are anything to go by; we all can be rest assured that the Granthi’s seminar would be full of ANTI-SIKHI and ANTI-GURMAT venom preached to Granthis who will then propagate the ANTI-SIKHI and ANTI-GURMAT venom to the Sangat. 

Is this what the Sangat want?


Now we must ask ourselves “if this is what our Gurus want?”.  

Lets see.  

What happened to Ram Rai, eldest son of Guru Har Rai, for changing one word in the verse:

ਮਿਟੀ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਕੀ ਪੇੜੈ ਪਈ ਕੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਆਰ ॥      (SGGS 466, Aasa M:1)

The clay of the Muslim’s grave becomes clay for the potter’s wheel.

Ram Rai said “Musalman ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ” should be “Beimaan” in the presence of Aurangzeb.  

For this change Ram Rai made, Guru Har Rai disowned him.  Our Gurus LIVED FOR THE SHABAD and WOULD NOT TOLERATE ANY CHANGE TO THE SHABAD (Gurbani).

What do you think our Guru would do considering the proposal by these MOORAKHS that ‘all references to Mythology be removed’.  Such MOORAKHS should burn in hell.

Gurbani says about such people.

ਕੂਕਰ ਕੂੜੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ਗੁਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਪਚੈ ਪਚਾਨੁ ॥      (SGGS 21 Sri Raag M:1)

Those who practice falsehood are dogs; those who slander the Guru shall burn in their own fire.

ਭਰਮੇ ਭੂਲਾ ਦੁਖੁ ਘਣੋ ਜਮੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਕਰੈ ਖੁਲਹਾਨੁ ॥

They wander lost and confused, deceived by doubt, suffering in terrible pain. The Messenger of Death shall beat them to a pulp.

ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਸੁਭਾਨੁ ॥੩॥

The self-willed manmukhs find no peace, while the Gurmukhs are wondrously joyful. ||3||


This is a very important question.  There is no direct evidence for the reason.  However if we look into the crystal ball considering what is happening around the world against the Sikh Panth it is possible to make a guess at the plausible reason.

The mythological references (from Sanatan Matt) in Guru Granth Sahib are by and large positive in the sense that there is knowledge from these that is used by our Gurus as examples or metaphors to teach us how to become God realised and attain liberation.  

However, there are some that point out practices by followers of the Sanatan Matt, which Guru Ji says will not lead to God realisation and liberation.  These practices, we emphasise the practices of followers of the faith NOT the faith, are condemned.  

However, some followers of this faith may be narrow minded and are not happy with these ‘negative’ references in Gurbani even though there is a lesson to be learnt from these negative references.  

Gurbani in the Sikh Canons (SGGS, Dasam Granth, compositions of Bhai Gurdas and Bhai Nand Lal) is eternal so the mythological references are eternal.  So the ‘negative’ references in Gurbani are eternal.

What if all mythological references are removed?  These negative references will be removed.

Do you see where we are leading to?  Yes.  

It is in the interest of the narrow-minded elements of the Sanatan Matt to have these refences removed.  Hence you see the world-wide attack on Sikhi, beadbi of Guru Granth Sahib, distortion of the teachings in Gurbani, trying to get rid of puratan Guru Granth saroops, producing new modified saroops, getting Sikh Naujawans into alcohol and drug addiction and many other events/actions, which has not occurred on this scale for over 500 years prior.  

This attack through the Kala Afghana/ Ragi Darshan Ideology is very likely a part of the game-plan of the narrow-minded elements of the Sanatan Matt to achieve their aim of ridding Gurbani of references to the Sanatan Matt.  

Figure 4:  The Malaysian Kala Afghana Snake Brigade

180629 MGC Granthi Seminar Snake Brigade

It is possible that people like MGC, SNSM, KDN, Autar, Karminder, Ranjodh Phagwarda and the Missionary cum Nindak Jundali are in-bed with these narrow-minded elements of the Sanatan Matt, as a part of this game-plan.


MGC is out to poison the Sangat in Malaysia through such activities (Granthi Seminar) with their Anti-Sikhi/Anti-Gurmat Kala Afghan/Ragi Darshan ideology through MOORAKH elements local to Malaysia and foreign.  

In the case of this seminar at least MOORAKHS Karminder Dhillon and Ranjodh Phagwarda are performing this slanderous and blasphemous activity.

MGC and these Moorakh teachers have let lose 40 venomous Granthis taking to the stage in Gurdwaras to POISION the Sangat, including the future generation with the Kala Afghana/ Ragi Darshan Anti-Sikhi Anti-Gurmat teachings.

Sangat Ji, is this what you want?  Surely not.

Please stop these venomous elements before it is too late.  

Don’t let Malaysian Sikhs be the first in the world to adopt the Kala Afghana/ Ragi Darshan ideology.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ

(Guru Ji, Haun Moorakh Kaarey Laeyaa, daas harnaak singh)